Trump 'Liberation Day' tariffs blocked by U.S. trade court

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The so-called reciprocal tariffs imposed on "Liberation Day" and the trafficking-related tariffs have all been ruled an illegal overreach by the President and have been blocked by a U.S. trade court.

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iPhone prices could have been raised as a result of tariffs



There has been a lot of volatility with Apple, big tech, and United States businesses since the April 2 "Liberation Day" tariffs imposed by President Trump. While many of the obscenely high tariffs have been lowered since, a global baseline of a still-high 10% has been in place.

According to a report from Reuters, a U.S. trade court has ruled that President Trump overstepped his authority. While it doesn't pass judgement on whether the tariffs would work as intended, the court does say they are not allowed according to federal law.



The Trump administration has already filed an appeal. The ruling provides a permanent injunction against enforcing the tariffs.

There are still some tariffs left in place by the ruling that didn't rely on the Emergency Economic Powers Act, like on automotive imports. But every tariff related to Canada and Mexico, referred to as trafficking tariffs, and all global so-called "reciprocal" tariffs, are no longer enforceable.

Given all of the changes, reversals, and exemptions, it is difficult to determine exactly how this might affect a company like Apple. If the tariffs are indeed removed, it'll mean Apple's $900 million hit to its bottom line might be lessened in the short term.

It may also be good news for Apple and other smartphone companies, as the ruling likely means President Trump can't impose a 25% tariff on smartphone imports. The ruling could collapse the administration's entire, if poorly executed, plan to force companies to bring manufacturing to the United States.

If the tariff policies are truly gone, it will mean a sigh of relief for Apple and its fans. The iPhone 17 lineup may not need to bear the weight of a price increase after all.



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  • Reply 1 of 33
    Jim_MAYjim_may Posts: 4member
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
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  • Reply 2 of 33
    anthogaganthogag Posts: 37member
    If dictator Trump can’t use tariffs like a dictator he can retire to playing golf. 
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  • Reply 3 of 33
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    The president has some tariff powers in certain situations. 

    But not the tariffs and situation he tried to use. They were not legal, plainly and simply. 

    Inevitably it'll be appealed to a higher court and, if there's fairness and legality, the block will be upheld. 
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  • Reply 4 of 33
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    Oh? Like where? And when?
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  • Reply 5 of 33
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 172member
    The Founding Fathers knew a dictator or a king wannabe would sooner or later come to power so they devised a series of checks and balances. The Courts have spoken!  
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  • Reply 6 of 33
    NickoTTnickott Posts: 21member
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    Yes, this will be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, who are in Donald Trump's pocket. The conservative majority will find a way to twist reality and the Constitution into giving the power back to him so he can continue on his deranged merry way.
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  • Reply 7 of 33
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,836member
    The comments on this thread will be factual and non-political.
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  • Reply 8 of 33
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,768member
    ssfe11 said:
    The Founding Fathers knew a dictator or a king wannabe would sooner or later come to power so they devised a series of checks and balances. The Courts have spoken!  
    The courts have spoken on a lot of issues, and the administration has proven time and again that they just don't give a shit. 

    What happens when laws are clear, courts have decided, and neither is enforced? 
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  • Reply 9 of 33
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 253member
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    Whether or not Trump's tariffs are good or bad is a separate question as to whether or not he had the legal authority to impose them. 

    The US Constitution specifies that Congress, not the President, has the authority to set tariff rates.

    Trump cites the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) as delegating to the President the authority to set tariffs.  IEEPA does not mention tariffs, and it only applies in certain emergency situations.   A long term trade imbalance is not the sort of "emergency" that IEEPA covers.

    Yesterday's court ruling is consistent with both the Constitution and the law.  Trump's tariffs were not consistent with either.



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  • Reply 10 of 33
    quakerotisquakerotis Posts: 157member
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    Citation needed as tyou are wrong. The ruling indicates that the method that the fat cognitively impaired ruling butter stick is illegal under the emergency powers act.
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  • Reply 11 of 33
    NickoTT said:
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    Yes, this will be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, who are in Donald Trump's pocket. The conservative majority will find a way to twist reality and the Constitution into giving the power back to him so he can continue on his deranged merry way.
    Not as much as you think. The Supreme Court has ruled against him a couple of times lately. Even they’re getting tired of his antics and his trashing the legal system
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  • Reply 12 of 33
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    The Trump administration declared an emergency under the IEEPA statute to levy tariffs. But the IEEPA statute doesn't mention tariffs or taxes as a power that was granted under the IEEPA by Congress. In fact, the IEEPA has never been used by the executive to levy tariffs. It's only been used to apply sanctions to foreign countries. Per the Supreme Court, any statute used by the executive branch that has significant economic/political impact MUST contain specific language that supports the way the executive is using it. The SC has called this the Major Questions Doctrine. Since the IEEPA doesn't contain any language that specifies tariffs as a power granted by Congress, the Trump administration's use of the statute fails the Major Questions Doctrine and is unconstitutional as a result.

    An example of this would be the Biden administration's first attempt at forgiving student loan debt under the HEROES Act. A lawsuit was filed that challenged the use of the statute for that purpose. The SC ultimately ruled that the HEROES Act didn't contain language specific enough to support the actions being taken by the executive and ruled the use to be unconstitutional. So if student loan forgiveness is considered a big enough economic/political issue for the SC to apply the Major Questions Doctrine, then the tariff actions by the Trump administration will obviously qualify as well. 
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  • Reply 13 of 33
    spheric said:
    ssfe11 said:
    The Founding Fathers knew a dictator or a king wannabe would sooner or later come to power so they devised a series of checks and balances. The Courts have spoken!  
    The courts have spoken on a lot of issues, and the administration has proven time and again that they just don't give a shit. 

    What happens when laws are clear, courts have decided, and neither is enforced? 
    This is the scary part. 

    What happens when the Sec of Homeland Security orders her U.S. Customs and Border Production officers to collect tariff revenue from ships in port after a court as said those tariffs are null and void?

    What we learned in high school is that check and balances would have Congress use their impeachment powers to rein in the executive branch. Good luck with that.
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  • Reply 14 of 33
    randominternetperson said: What happens when the Sec of Homeland Security orders her U.S. Customs and Border Production officers to collect tariff revenue from ships in port after a court as said those tariffs are null and void?
    That would be obvious obstruction and contempt of court. A federal judge could potentially have U.S. Marshalls arrest officials involved in that. 
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  • Reply 15 of 33
    peterhartpeterhart Posts: 168member
    FAFO. Poor President Pity-Party-of-One. Let’s hope the legal system prevails…the real legal system, not Dump’s skewed vision of it. 
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  • Reply 16 of 33
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 253member
    randominternetperson said: What happens when the Sec of Homeland Security orders her U.S. Customs and Border Production officers to collect tariff revenue from ships in port after a court as said those tariffs are null and void?
    That would be obvious obstruction and contempt of court. A federal judge could potentially have U.S. Marshalls arrest officials involved in that. 
    One issue with that is that the U.S. Marshalls are under the Dept. of Justice.  The Dept. of Justice is under Trump.

    This can make it problematic for the courts to enforce rulings against the wishes of a sitting President.

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  • Reply 17 of 33
    mfryd said:
    randominternetperson said: What happens when the Sec of Homeland Security orders her U.S. Customs and Border Production officers to collect tariff revenue from ships in port after a court as said those tariffs are null and void?
    That would be obvious obstruction and contempt of court. A federal judge could potentially have U.S. Marshalls arrest officials involved in that. 
    One issue with that is that the U.S. Marshalls are under the Dept. of Justice.  The Dept. of Justice is under Trump.

    This can make it problematic for the courts to enforce rulings against the wishes of a sitting President.

    U.S. Marshalls serve both the DOJ and the Federal judiciary. Separation of powers = judge doesn't need sign-off from DOJ. 
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  • Reply 18 of 33
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,570member
    The SCOTUS will likely affirm the ruling by refusing to hear it because it's clear that what Trump did was a violation of law. The president cannot impose tariffs when no emergency laws are in effect. It has to be done with the Congress to decide what tariffs can be imposed or not. 




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  • Reply 19 of 33
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 253member
    mfryd said:
    randominternetperson said: What happens when the Sec of Homeland Security orders her U.S. Customs and Border Production officers to collect tariff revenue from ships in port after a court as said those tariffs are null and void?
    That would be obvious obstruction and contempt of court. A federal judge could potentially have U.S. Marshalls arrest officials involved in that. 
    One issue with that is that the U.S. Marshalls are under the Dept. of Justice.  The Dept. of Justice is under Trump.

    This can make it problematic for the courts to enforce rulings against the wishes of a sitting President.

    U.S. Marshalls serve both the DOJ and the Federal judiciary. Separation of powers = judge doesn't need sign-off from DOJ. 
    There are theoretical issues and practical issues.

    From a theoretical standpoint, the Marshalls listen to the DOJ and Trump can't set tariffs.

    From a practical standpoint, a Marshall's paycheck comes from the DOJ, and the Marshall's chain of command work for the DOJ.  This administration has a history of firing people who follow the law when it conflicts with Presidential orders.  Thus, a Marshall might be fired for attempting to enforce a court order against the Trump administration.  We have seen this in the US Attorney's office of the Southern District of New York, where they went through six high ranking officials who refused to follow an illegal directive.

    Furthermore, the US Supreme Court has ruled that a sitting President cannot be charged with a crime for any official acts.  Executive orders and directives fall into that category.  Additionally, any official acts can't be used as evidence in a court of law, even after the President leaves office.

    Let's look at a hypothetical situation.  Imagine a foreign government can't buy arms from the US because they have a history of supporting terrorism. They decide to offer the sitting President lucrative personal real estate deals, and a $200 million jet as an "incentive" for him to change US foreign policy to allow that country to purchase weapons.  Suppose they structure the deal, so that the Jet is technical given to the US Government, with the stipulation that when the President leaves office the jet goes to a private organization run by the retired President (i.e. his "presidential library").   Imagine that in this hypothetical situation, the President agreed.   

    In the past, this would have been considered a bribe.  The President could have been charged with a crime while in office, or after he let office.  Under the new supreme court ruling the President is immune from prosecution for accepting bribes while in office, and after he leaves office.

    Similarly, suppose someone donated a million dollars to the President in order to get a pardon for her son's tax fraud conviction.  Again the President is immune from prosecution.  While the person making the bribe can be prosecuted, you can't use as evidence that the President pardoned her son.  This makes it challenging to prosecute people who bribe the President.  Strangely, you can prosecute for attempted bribery, but if the President accepts and acts on the bribe, you can't use those actions as evidence in court.

    The bottom line is that even if it was a crime for the President to defy a court order, he cannot be prosecuted for it, and the US Marshalls would have no jurisdiction over the President.
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  • Reply 20 of 33
    sconosciutosconosciuto Posts: 374member
    Jim_MAY said:
    The Trump Administration will advance an appeal to the Supreme Court. Congress gave tariff powers to the Presidents long ago.
    It sure is fascinating to watch MAGA Republicans admit in real time that they thought they elected a dictator.
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